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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2012 20:48:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Gary.  I believe the chapter on the address below clears up the whole original sin matter.  Thanks.  Peace.

http://gods-kingdom-ministries.org/books/creations/Chapter9.cfm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Gary.  I believe the chapter on the address below clears up the whole original sin matter.  Thanks.  Peace.</p>
<p><a href="http://gods-kingdom-ministries.org/books/creations/Chapter9.cfm" rel="nofollow">http://gods-kingdom-ministries.org/books/creations/Chapter9.cfm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://hell-fact-or-fable.com/2010/04/a-sure-foundation/comment-page-1/#comment-681</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2012 21:50:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your usual quick and thorough response.  I read the whole Genesis series, which is quite astounding.  In fact I have read it a bunch of times.  It seems to sink in a tiny bit at a time.  Remember it&#039;s harder to unlearn than to learn, so forgive me if some of my questions reflect a difficulty in breaking with past interpretations.  I intend to continue studying and asking questions.  I have always thought the PERFECT ADAM theory made no sense, and it always bothered me.  It seemed to place the weight of the universe on my mortal shoulders and frankly, I resented it.  I know I&#039;m not the only one.  I&#039;m grateful I stumbled upon someone who understands this issue and can answer questions about it.  Thank you very much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your usual quick and thorough response.  I read the whole Genesis series, which is quite astounding.  In fact I have read it a bunch of times.  It seems to sink in a tiny bit at a time.  Remember it&#8217;s harder to unlearn than to learn, so forgive me if some of my questions reflect a difficulty in breaking with past interpretations.  I intend to continue studying and asking questions.  I have always thought the PERFECT ADAM theory made no sense, and it always bothered me.  It seemed to place the weight of the universe on my mortal shoulders and frankly, I resented it.  I know I&#8217;m not the only one.  I&#8217;m grateful I stumbled upon someone who understands this issue and can answer questions about it.  Thank you very much.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary</title>
		<link>http://hell-fact-or-fable.com/2010/04/a-sure-foundation/comment-page-1/#comment-679</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2012 07:07:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry these are not in order. For some reason I did not receive your first email until after I did the second. Anyway, I don&#039;t believe God ever really told Adam and Eve not to eat the fruit from a literal tree. If you read part 4 again you should see that I no longer believe the Genesis 3 story is literal, but rather a parable, which by definition, is a &lt;em&gt;fictitious&lt;/em&gt; account. Read over it again and if you still have questions I will be glad to answer.

Peace</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry these are not in order. For some reason I did not receive your first email until after I did the second. Anyway, I don&#8217;t believe God ever really told Adam and Eve not to eat the fruit from a literal tree. If you read part 4 again you should see that I no longer believe the Genesis 3 story is literal, but rather a parable, which by definition, is a <em>fictitious</em> account. Read over it again and if you still have questions I will be glad to answer.</p>
<p>Peace</p>
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		<title>By: Gary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2012 04:17:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good question, Steve.

I just looked up these words in the Greek...

http://studybible.info/KJV_Strongs/rom%208:21

... and I don&#039;t think we have a problem here, do you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good question, Steve.</p>
<p>I just looked up these words in the Greek&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://studybible.info/KJV_Strongs/rom%208:21" rel="nofollow">http://studybible.info/KJV_Strongs/rom%208:21</a></p>
<p>&#8230; and I don&#8217;t think we have a problem here, do you?</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2012 03:11:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just one more point before you answer: Romans 8:21 says &quot;because the creature itself shall also be delivered...&quot;  If it meant man, wouldn&#039;t it say man HIMself, or even the creature HIMself?  Doesn&#039;t the wording imply that animals and creation in general are in view rather than man?  I agree with your understanding of the Genesis story, but I don&#039;t know if this particular verse supports it.  Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just one more point before you answer: Romans 8:21 says &#8220;because the creature itself shall also be delivered&#8230;&#8221;  If it meant man, wouldn&#8217;t it say man HIMself, or even the creature HIMself?  Doesn&#8217;t the wording imply that animals and creation in general are in view rather than man?  I agree with your understanding of the Genesis story, but I don&#8217;t know if this particular verse supports it.  Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2012 02:57:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with your understanding of the Adam and Eve story; it&#039;s a real eye opener.  But I do have a few questions.  You wrote that Adam and Eve had not the law (when they sinned).  But doesn&#039;t God&#039;s command not to eat of the tree count as a law?  In fact, wasn&#039;t that command (law) given in order to help reveal Adam&#039;s sinfulness (the law reveals sin, right?)

Concerning Romans 8:20:  What about the view that what the verse is really saying is that God subjected the animals to futlility with the hope that they will be brought into freedom, not that He subjected man to fultility.  If the verse means God subjected man to futility, why doesn&#039;t it say man rather than the creature?  It seems to be talking about the redemption of creation in man.

Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with your understanding of the Adam and Eve story; it&#8217;s a real eye opener.  But I do have a few questions.  You wrote that Adam and Eve had not the law (when they sinned).  But doesn&#8217;t God&#8217;s command not to eat of the tree count as a law?  In fact, wasn&#8217;t that command (law) given in order to help reveal Adam&#8217;s sinfulness (the law reveals sin, right?)</p>
<p>Concerning Romans 8:20:  What about the view that what the verse is really saying is that God subjected the animals to futlility with the hope that they will be brought into freedom, not that He subjected man to fultility.  If the verse means God subjected man to futility, why doesn&#8217;t it say man rather than the creature?  It seems to be talking about the redemption of creation in man.</p>
<p>Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: JC Vucina</title>
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		<dc:creator>JC Vucina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Mar 2011 02:31:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Our first love is God. He is love and the only thing that makes us able to love truly. When we think we love without loving him first we are lusting. When we love one another more deeply than him that is backwards. We can&#039;t love with the fathers love that way, because it has conditions. We must be loved back in the same way. I had an ex break my heart. The kicker is the reason it destroyed me was because I worshipped her not knowing it, she was an idol. I felt terrible pain and to this day it makes me shutter. It doesn&#039;t make sense as people fall out of love. God doesn&#039;t. With loving him first actually losing anything is easier. When we love God first as our foundation love flows from us like a river. People are warmed by it. They respond to it. It his love they respond to. We are meerly being allowed to transport it. UPS guy doesn&#039;t need to sing his own praise, and ego mania is manufactured and fed by self praise. Self praise is heroin minus the tempory death part, it can truly get you on a path of hatred if you allow it to. Love yourself first equals idol. Selfishness. Love someone else first and selflessness becomes worship idolism and is just as evil.Love thy neighbor as thy love thyself means love them from a Gods place. Unconditionally with him in your heart. We use the word love very lightly, much like awesome. Why not allow adultry? So we can feel how he feels when someone denys him as he bled a mans death to deliver us from ultimate death. God literally went through it because he can now love us in a greater way I believe. After that moment faith in Christ delivered us. Forgive them Father, for they know not what they do. Perfect love.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our first love is God. He is love and the only thing that makes us able to love truly. When we think we love without loving him first we are lusting. When we love one another more deeply than him that is backwards. We can&#8217;t love with the fathers love that way, because it has conditions. We must be loved back in the same way. I had an ex break my heart. The kicker is the reason it destroyed me was because I worshipped her not knowing it, she was an idol. I felt terrible pain and to this day it makes me shutter. It doesn&#8217;t make sense as people fall out of love. God doesn&#8217;t. With loving him first actually losing anything is easier. When we love God first as our foundation love flows from us like a river. People are warmed by it. They respond to it. It his love they respond to. We are meerly being allowed to transport it. UPS guy doesn&#8217;t need to sing his own praise, and ego mania is manufactured and fed by self praise. Self praise is heroin minus the tempory death part, it can truly get you on a path of hatred if you allow it to. Love yourself first equals idol. Selfishness. Love someone else first and selflessness becomes worship idolism and is just as evil.Love thy neighbor as thy love thyself means love them from a Gods place. Unconditionally with him in your heart. We use the word love very lightly, much like awesome. Why not allow adultry? So we can feel how he feels when someone denys him as he bled a mans death to deliver us from ultimate death. God literally went through it because he can now love us in a greater way I believe. After that moment faith in Christ delivered us. Forgive them Father, for they know not what they do. Perfect love.</p>
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		<title>By: JC Vucina</title>
		<link>http://hell-fact-or-fable.com/2010/04/a-sure-foundation/comment-page-1/#comment-304</link>
		<dc:creator>JC Vucina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Mar 2011 02:13:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gary,

I&#039;m highly happy that God has sent this site to me. I will send masses here for answers that trouble their hearts. A couple of things he taught me in concert with this. Anytime I was loving anything in the world before him I was creating an idol. That means the book, the cross, the bible itself, humanity, good works, women, money. Literally anything. Why? It isn&#039;t eternal and it brings disapointment. Then we hurt. A car that we love? It&#039;s a machine and most the world is literally mad. You can appreciate it&#039;s design as art, but love is for people and Gods creations. From God to his creations, and back to God. When you love him first he is the foundation. When we try to have sex before marriage and all that we want his reward without the commitment. When we take an idol before him, any idol, he feels betrayed similar to when you find your wife cheating on you. It&#039;s a different love. Every love existing relationship is a minutia version of a type of love he has. Romantic love is to have a home with his love, with the care and compassion of a woman to the protection of the father. We need both loving him first in order to have a household marriage in his name. That is exactly how everything gets messed up with kids. People decided to crave lifestyles with all rewards and no work. Kind of like anything else, you get spoiled. This is why half of marriages are divorced, they are not unions in his name in the eyes of the lord, even if a man said so. Anytime you love someone or something first you are making that person an idol or that thing an idol. Think about very simply, it&#039;s a piece of wood or a book or a building. The spirit of our fathers love is what makes good good, and that is why and what we love. It is by grace he delivers us. I have recently had an understanding of the sound principals that this site explains with cited reference. I&#039;m amazed right now. One thing on the children part. To be Gods child we must depend on him in all things. Christ submitting to his love is how he was able to be sinless man. I know this as well. Everything we do, every thought we have, every action we take, we can submit to God for him to take for us. Just like Christ. I recently was blessed to help a friend who had been through trama. Her father killed herself, and she wouldn&#039;t take the forgiveness cure of anger. Forgiveness is showing that love truly conquers. I have been been able to forgive and tolerate even with reason. As I have hurt others, they have hurt me. When I have hurt people I needed to be forgiven. I have been delivered recently forgiveness in places I never thought I would. I also have been practicing it prior to this unexplainable showing of it appearing from people that have had no clue that I have practiced it. It&#039;s the key to heaven and the water that puts out the flame. Unless we become as children we shall never enter the kingdom of heaven. That means......... ding ding ding submission to the fathers love exactly like Christ did; you will do all this and more. Before I ever learned the facts on this page when I looked to words to explain it I found these.

WE are like nuggets of gold with impurities in them. Life has evil, which burns and hurts us. Pain is the fire that melts the gold to make it pure. Heaven is a state of perfection and nothing imperfect can enter it. So we must go through life and experience and learn to be perfect, as our father in heaven. Theres a scripture that Christ even says that. He says to be perfect as your father in heaven is. That&#039;s in direct concert with becoming an untemptable being. This is exciting stuff. A highest of clean in order to appreciate and understand it. Then we can fully be in his image and truly serve and praise him. We are being inspired to be higher. That is the meaning of life, to become his true creation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gary,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m highly happy that God has sent this site to me. I will send masses here for answers that trouble their hearts. A couple of things he taught me in concert with this. Anytime I was loving anything in the world before him I was creating an idol. That means the book, the cross, the bible itself, humanity, good works, women, money. Literally anything. Why? It isn&#8217;t eternal and it brings disapointment. Then we hurt. A car that we love? It&#8217;s a machine and most the world is literally mad. You can appreciate it&#8217;s design as art, but love is for people and Gods creations. From God to his creations, and back to God. When you love him first he is the foundation. When we try to have sex before marriage and all that we want his reward without the commitment. When we take an idol before him, any idol, he feels betrayed similar to when you find your wife cheating on you. It&#8217;s a different love. Every love existing relationship is a minutia version of a type of love he has. Romantic love is to have a home with his love, with the care and compassion of a woman to the protection of the father. We need both loving him first in order to have a household marriage in his name. That is exactly how everything gets messed up with kids. People decided to crave lifestyles with all rewards and no work. Kind of like anything else, you get spoiled. This is why half of marriages are divorced, they are not unions in his name in the eyes of the lord, even if a man said so. Anytime you love someone or something first you are making that person an idol or that thing an idol. Think about very simply, it&#8217;s a piece of wood or a book or a building. The spirit of our fathers love is what makes good good, and that is why and what we love. It is by grace he delivers us. I have recently had an understanding of the sound principals that this site explains with cited reference. I&#8217;m amazed right now. One thing on the children part. To be Gods child we must depend on him in all things. Christ submitting to his love is how he was able to be sinless man. I know this as well. Everything we do, every thought we have, every action we take, we can submit to God for him to take for us. Just like Christ. I recently was blessed to help a friend who had been through trama. Her father killed herself, and she wouldn&#8217;t take the forgiveness cure of anger. Forgiveness is showing that love truly conquers. I have been been able to forgive and tolerate even with reason. As I have hurt others, they have hurt me. When I have hurt people I needed to be forgiven. I have been delivered recently forgiveness in places I never thought I would. I also have been practicing it prior to this unexplainable showing of it appearing from people that have had no clue that I have practiced it. It&#8217;s the key to heaven and the water that puts out the flame. Unless we become as children we shall never enter the kingdom of heaven. That means&#8230;&#8230;&#8230; ding ding ding submission to the fathers love exactly like Christ did; you will do all this and more. Before I ever learned the facts on this page when I looked to words to explain it I found these.</p>
<p>WE are like nuggets of gold with impurities in them. Life has evil, which burns and hurts us. Pain is the fire that melts the gold to make it pure. Heaven is a state of perfection and nothing imperfect can enter it. So we must go through life and experience and learn to be perfect, as our father in heaven. Theres a scripture that Christ even says that. He says to be perfect as your father in heaven is. That&#8217;s in direct concert with becoming an untemptable being. This is exciting stuff. A highest of clean in order to appreciate and understand it. Then we can fully be in his image and truly serve and praise him. We are being inspired to be higher. That is the meaning of life, to become his true creation.</p>
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		<dc:creator>THE LAW OF RELATIVITY &#124; Hell Fact or Fable</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Apr 2010 15:56:46 +0000</pubDate>
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