FROM WHERE DID WE GET THE WORD CHURCH?

FROM WHERE DID WE GET THE WORD CHURCH?

NOTE: Most of the following research was compiled by a fellow believer, who, for personal reasons, has chosen not to have his name affiliated with this site.

Walk up to almost any church of any denomination in any nation on earth, and it immediately distinguishes itself from all other kinds of buildings. First, you might notice near the highway or on the sidewalk, a marquee with a name such as, Church of the Nazarene, or First Baptist Church, or Our Lady Catholic Church. These unique buildings we call churches have many things in common, not the least of which is the designation of the word “church” itself. What does the word “church” mean, and from where did it come? The Scriptures? No. The word “church” is neither Hebrew nor Greek, so when these languages were translated into English Bibles, the word church was already in existence.

The word “church” found in most (not all) Bibles is translated from the Greek word “ekklesia,” and it means “called out ones.” The word “church” is defined in most dictionaries as: “A building for public worship, especially Christian worship; the company of all Christians as a spiritual body.” This, however, tells us nothing concerning the origin of this word and its original definition, meaning, and usage. Some theologians have erroneously stated that the word church comes from the Greek “kyrios” which means “lord,” and thus “church” is those who belong to the Lord, or references the “Lord’s house.” This is not, however, the origin or original meaning of the word “church.”

“Church” is a very early English word that means “circle” (the shape of a circle), while the Greek word translated “church” is “ekklesia” and means “called out ones,” and more properly answers to the English words: congregation, assembly or group.

In Acts 19:32 ekklesia refers to a riotous mob. And ekklesia is never applied to a building for worship. Furthermore, there can be only one “Lord’s House,” and that was the temple in Jerusalem, only. Local congregations and synagogues or assembly halls were never designated “The Lord’s House.”

“Bethel” is the word for “Lord’s House” in Hebrew. Yet, this “Lord’s House” became an abomination to the Lord, along with all other such “Lord’s houses.”

“For the saying that he cried by the word of the Lord against the altar in Bethel, and against all the houses of the high places which are in the cities of Samaria, shall surely come to pass… Jeroboam returned not from his evil way, but made again of the lowest of the people priests of the high places… And this thing became SIN unto the house of Jeroboam, even to cut it off, and to destroy it from off the face of the earth” (I Kings 13:32-34).

And so, in rebelling to God’s commands, “Bethels” were built throughout the land. And just as Israel continually looked to the heathen for their religious practices (see Jeremiah 10:1-5, for example), so did the heathens borrow from Israel. These “Bethels” or “houses of the Lord” became popular among the heathens. Bethels were being built throughout Europe, West Asia, and North Africa. They usually used the Greek spelling “baetyls,” but they were the same high, religious places of worship, which God condemned. So even if a “Bethel” was a “house of the Lord,” it was still condemned by God. Here are the historical facts regarding the word “Bethel” [From the Dictionary of Proper Names and Places in the Bible, by O. Odelain and R. Seguineau, Doubleday & Company, 1981]:

The word Bethel literally means “House of God,” and was the name of a town about 17 km north of Jerusalem on the road to Shechem. Bethel was also the name of a Canaanite deity venerated at Bethel. In the ancient world Bethel is one of the camping places of Abraham and Jacob. From there Abraham sees the land God is giving him. It is also here where the dream of “Jacob’s ladder” occurs, and where God later appears to Jacob. Thus Bethel becomes a sanctuary of the patriarchs. Along with Ai, it is one of the first towns conquered by Joshua. Later, in the ninth century the town is the residence of a brotherhood of prophets centered around Elijah and Elisha. It also becomes for the Northern Kingdom the national center of worship, with its golden calf, “the sin of Jeroboam.” Amos pronounces God’s judgment upon this cult (Amos 3:13-15; 5:4-7), and is expelled from Bethel by the priest Amaziah. Hosea waxes ironical about Bethel, the “House of God,” that it has become Beth-aven (Hosea 5:8; 10:5), which means “the house of nothingness (or iniquity).” Josiah’s religious reform affects Bethel, where these altars and high places are destroyed (see II Kings 23:15-20).

Now concerning the word “church,” Professor Smith of Smith’s Dictionary of the Bible states that “church” comes from a word meaning “circle,” which is akin to our word “circus.” Professor Lipsius (German theologian during the Reformation) also shows that “church” came from “circle.” Professor A. F. Fausett of Home Bible Study Dictionary” agrees with Professor Lipsius. The exhaustive ten volume Cyclopaedia of Biblical, Theological and Ecclesiastical Literature under the word “church” states that:

“It was probably connected with the Latin circus, circulus, and with the Greek kuklos. Lipsius, who was the first to reject the received tradition, was probably right in his suggestion” (Vol. II, p. 322).

Robert Brown’s work The Myth of Kirke” also confirms that “kirke” (church) means “Circle” or “Circular” (p. 22).

Dictionary of Phrase and Fable, under the entry “church” adds this:

“The etymology of this word is generally assumed to be from the Greek, kurious oikos (house of God); but this is most improbable, as the word existed in all the Celtic dialects long before the introduction of the Greek. No doubt the word means ‘a circle.’ The places of worship among the German and Celtic nations were always circular [witness circular Stonehenge, one of the most ancient stone megaliths on earth]. Compare Anglo-Saxon ‘circe,’ a small church, with ‘circol,’ a circle.”

In Scotland it is called “Kirk” and in Gemany it is “Kirche,” in England it is the word “Circe” (the “c” having a “k” sound).

But according to Brown’s book, “Kirke/Circe” was also the name of a Goddess.

Kirke or Circe was the daughter of the Sun god, who was famous for taming wild animals for her circus. But get ready for this: Circe is pictured holding a golden cup in her hand mixed with wine and drugs, by which she controlled the kings of the world. Now where have we heard that before?

“And the woman [always the symbol for a church/kirke] was arrayed in purple and scarlet color [these colors symbolize wealth and high position], and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication” (Revelation 17:4).

What else are we told is in the golden cup of this church?

“…the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication” (Verse 2).

But there is something else. Remember that Brown above also mentions drugs along with wine. Is our lady church of Revelation 17:4-5 “MYSTERY BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH” also involved in DRUGS?

Notice what Revelation 18:23 lists among her many abominations:

“…for the merchants were the great men of the earth; for by your sorceries were all nations deceived.”

Just what are these “sorceries?”

The Greek word translated “sorceries” in this verse is pharmakeia. Dr. Strong’s first definition of this word is “medicine.” Our words “pharmacy” and “pharmaceutical” (DRUGS) are derived from this word. This harlot church peddles spiritual DRUGS to the world! And so, clearly this pagan goddess Kirke not only stamps Christian religions of the world with her name: “Kirke, Kirche, Church,” but also she is the Mystery Babylonian Harlot Church of Revelation 17 and 18. This Church has committed spiritual fornication among the leaders of the world, and has caused the inhabitants of the world to be made drunk and drugged by the contents of her golden cup.

What about you? Are you yet so drugged and drunk on this Harlot Church that you cannot see to walk the straight and narrow way of Christ, which leads to life?

ADDENDUM

This brief synopsis of the word “church” is in no way meant to be an indictment toward the many wonderful people who attend churches. Lord only knows how much worse the plight of Hurricane Katrina victims would have been if it weren’t for the generosity of the area churches, who met many personal needs where government agencies such as FEMA and the Red Cross failed. I am confident that our Lord Jesus will remember good deeds such as these on Judgment Day. But good deeds alone will not qualify one for first-resurrection status (see Matthew 7:21-23).

First of all, those who worship God must worship Him in Spirit and in Truth. They must proclaim Christ as Savior of the world, and believe that He will indeed SAVE the world!

    “This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptance. For to this end we both labor and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of those who believe [that He is the Savior of ALL men, and that He will INDEED SAVE ALL MEN]. These things command and teach. (I Timothy 4:9-11)

These are the things that our Lord commands His laborers to teach concerning Him. Now how many church pastors do you know of that are doing this? Instead, most believe and teach that our heavenly Father will cast the majority of mankind away into a fiery furnace for all eternity. Because of this erroneous teaching, they lead their flocks astray (see Jeremiah 50:6). The way to life [via the first resurrection] is indeed a narrow one.

Secondly, those who take a stand for the Truth (Jesus) must be willing to do so even in the face of violent opposition. Remember these sobering words of our Lord:

    “If the world hates you, you know that it hated Me before it hated you. If you were of the world, the world would love its own. Yet because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you. Remember the word that I said to you, ‘ A servant is not greater than his master.’ If they persecuted Me, they will also persecute you. If they kept My word, they will keep yours also.” (John 15:18-20)
    “Yes, and all who desire to live godly in Christ Jesus will suffer persecution.” (II Timothy 3:12)

For some, this may even mean being forsaken by the members of one’s own household:

    “Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth… For I have come to set a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a man’s enemies will be those of his own household. He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me. He who finds his life will lose it, and he who loses his life for My sake will find it.” (Matthew 10:34-39)

Christ will become top priority to those who wish to find the narrow way that leads to age-abiding life. Not everyone will be able to make that type of a commitment. This is why Christ tells us to “count the cost” of following Him (see Luke 14:26-33).

And finally, Christ makes it clear that it is the one who endures to the end who will be saved [or attain to age-abiding life] (see Matthew 10:22; Mark 13:13). But those who have been appointed to walk the difficult to find narrow road can take heart:

    “Being confident of this very thing, that He who has begun a good work in you will complete it until the day of Jesus Christ.” (Philippians 1:6)

You will notice that it is God who began the work, and it is God who completes it!

    “Now the just shall live by faith; but if anyone draws back, My soul has no pleasure in him. But we are not of those who draw back to perdition, but of those who believe to the saving of the soul.” (Hebrews 10:38,39)
    “He who overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will be his God and he shall be My son.” (Revelation 21:7)

26 Responses to “FROM WHERE DID WE GET THE WORD CHURCH?”

  1. Cliff Tucker says:

    I had run cross the similar information years ago, as a Christian, serving a non-denominational church on loan to another church to help in taching on evrey other wednesday evening study. It was ths information that caused th pastor to change her mind about me teaching. I have since become a Sabbath keeper and am learning so much more. There is so much missing by not learning the culture and of the language. I am doing a study now titled: What Is Missing In Churchianity and th Hebrew Roots Moment?

    Thank you for having this link.

  2. Joe says:

    I will quote the following from above, “Robert Brown’s work The Myth of Kirke” also confirms that “kirke” (church) means “Circle” or “Circular” (p. 22).”

    This is false, a deliberate distortion of the word “kirke”. Even a quick google search will tell you the word “kirke” comes from the goddess “Circe” not “Circle”. The author deliberately put an L in their to deceive you. It seems the origin of the word “church” comes from the word “kirke” which means the greek goddess Circe, who would lure unsuspecting victims into her home, drug them and then live off of them. Now isn’t that strange? That’s exactly what modern day churches do today, they lure you into their churches, drug you with scripture and hope, then live off your donations.

  3. donna says:

    Joe: Perhaps it is you deceiving yourself. Read the entire post. You’ll need more than one small piece of the puzzle before you can begin to see the big picture. I will quote the following from above: (the part you apparently did not read)

    “In Scotland it is called “Kirk” and in Gemany it is “Kirche,” in England it is the word “Circe” (the “c” having a “k” sound).
    But according to Brown’s book, “Kirke/Circe” was also the name of a Goddess.
    Kirke or Circe was the daughter of the Sun god, who was famous for taming wild animals for her circus. But get ready for this: Circe is pictured holding a golden cup in her hand mixed with wine and drugs, by which she controlled the kings of the world.”
    End of quote—————————-

    True worship comes from the heart not in temples made by man. Yes the entire world is deceived and follows after the beast. Ye worship ye know not what? Sunday is the demon day of worship in honor of the sun god-less. Will evilness come to us and say hi i am satan I want you to think i am God now let us go to church and pretend i am? How many people would be there when the offering plate come around on sunday…What did God make on the seventh day? He made the seventh day! Why? To worship the One true God, as it is written so you will be my people and know that I am your God. He who created all things blessed day 7 sanctified day 7 made day 7 holy. 777 not 666! So who do you really worship on sunday??? You don’t even know. It is written in Gods letter to us that the prince of darkness will come as a man of light. Maybe the master of lies and deception will trick the nations into worshiping false gods & call the goddess Circe Mary. It don’t matter what name your church goes by Baptist, Methodist, Holy, Godly, Christ of this or that, whatever,The church you go to is controlled by The Roman Catholic Church and can change the doctoral guidelines anytime to anything and will. Modern day church = wolf in lambs clothing, a mirage with a smile where the poison is sweet “come out of her my people” Those seeking truth will find it. Those who are comfy covered by the thick veil of deception really don’t want to know, and sadly will reject any further study. Go learn what they don’t teach you in school. Find an old history book written before the “church” took over everything. Like Hawthorns History of the United States. Your ancestors were murdered because they wanted you to know the truth. Those who escaped torture and death did flee blindly into the wilderness, now called the United States.
    Truth has been covered up with lies by the master of the greatest illusions. All one need do is lift up the veil and look underneath those pretty pictures that are not really pretty at all. Don’t be scared of the truth. The truth will set you free

  4. David says:

    Church…

    When Jesus used this word, it meant something very specific to His disciples. They did not hear it like we hear it. It was a secular (Roman) word and a powerful one at that. It was a word that carried significant authority with it. In the context and time in which He spoke it, in conjunction with the Greek language definition and [at that time] actual practice, it referred to…

    “A group of citizens called out and assembled together to do the business of the government under which they function.”

    This assembly discusses the way that its government does its business, and then makes decisions accordingly. Jesus was not using a religious or Christian word, he was using a secular word. His disciples understood what he meant when He said, “I will build MY Church…”

    I will build MY assembly of called out citizens who will do the business of My kingdom, under My authority, according to My polity, and not even the gates of Hell will prevail against MY Church.

    This is so commonly misused. Just because two or more of us come together, that does not qualify as “church.” It is how we come together that makes that determination. When a few brothers get together at the coffee shop and talk about football, fishing, and the economy, that is not church. When we “gather in His name” or come together in His name— when we do so under His authority, seeking His direction, regarding His kingdom and its polity, we hear His voice and agree on what needs to be done, and then actually DO something… When we function in this manner, that is church, and He will see to it that it (what we believe we have heard in faith and settled on as His will to do) gets done.

    I like to use a word picture to help us to understand this. I grew up in a little town in Massachusetts. The town was run by a group of five men called the Board of Selectmen. They met several times a year to discuss town business. When they met, the citizens of the town trembled. Why? Because what the Selectmen processed and agreed upon, was what was done. If they decided to cut down the old tree on Elm Street, that was it. Down went the tree. If they decided to stop maintenance on a dead end street, sorry, no more town maintenance. Town taxes up, taxes down…they decided and it was so. No more junk cars parked on owners property, done deal.

    You could attend a Selectmen’s meeting and present your case, for or against something. You could appeal their decision and present your case. They would listen and process, and decide.

    If I was a young man and was walking down the street in my home town, and this man Jesus walked by with a small group of men following Him along…and He turned to them and said, “I will build MY Board of Selectmen, and the gates of hell will not prevail against it,” I would know exactly what He was talking about.

    I was researching some things about Church history some time ago and came upon a statement in a resource (sorry, I did not retain the name of the resource). It said, “Rome planted churches.” The first thought that came to me set my mind into a tizzy. Then I realized I was thinking in standard christianese. The word used in the reference was being used as a Roman word, and this is what was being stated….

    Rome was building an empire, and was working diligently to expand that empire. Nothing was going to stop Rome from ruling the known world at that time. There were places that were not yet possessed by Rome. So Rome would gather and assemble a substantial group of citizens, empower them to do the business of Rome and send them out into an area that was not yet under Rome’s rule. Wherever they were “planted” the surrounding population trembled. The inevitable had arrived. You were soon to be under Roman authority or you would need to run for your life, because you could not resist the church (that group of citizens called out and assembled to do the business of the government under which they functioned).

    All of Rome stood behind its church (nothing to do with Christianity).

    All of the Godhead stands behind the Church that Jesus said He would build. If we function as He intended, not even the gates of hell stand a chance. Jesus, let me be part of THAT Church, and do my part to see it formed and functioning.

    1 Cor 14:26 offers a summation of what it looks when the church meets. Apparently it is not when everyone attends “service” and listens to one main person share “the message” for this Sunday. The idea is that God is going to speak to His people through this one particular person via the prepared sermon.

    Looking through 1 Cor 14, arriving at verse 26 and following, indicates that the Lord speaks to His Church by way of His Church. The citizens of the Kingdom gather, and seek to hear the King of the Kingdom. What is the Holy Spirit to us from God the Father and His Son Jesus? What are They saying to the Church. Yes, there should be order, and there should be recognized authority (governmental oversight) to guide and direct this meeting, as well as help to sort out and identify when the Lord has spoken, and what did He say.

    What He has to say might come by way of the gift of prophecy, tongues and interpretation, words of wisdom and knowledge, a psalm, a teaching (instruction), a revelation…

    When God’s people meet like this, it is the Church that is building being what She is supposed to be and acting like She is supposed to act. A “message” will be solidified through the Lord’s people, agreed upon by the governmental oversight, and decisions will be made to act upon this acccordingly. When that happens, the Lord Himself will back up His word. It won’t be just another “good” message or sermon. It will be something that the Church will act upon and God Himself will see to it that His will is going to take place.

    A little aside…but in the same category. We also misuse / misapply the word “service.” Did you go to “service” today? Will you be at “service” next week. I understand that this application came from some time ago, when God’s people would not actually DO anything. They just wanted to come to a meeting on Sunday and listen to the preacher. After losing a number of people because of preaching at them to become doers and really serve the Lord, it became evident that many “churches” were going to fold up for lack of people and support.

    Someone along the way decided that it would be good to call these “church” meetings “service.” That way if people came to “service” they were serving the Lord. This was part of the process to make that building be more and more recognized as the “church.” Our words betray us. We still say we are going to “church,” and attending the “service.”

    Is it even possible to change the way that people look at this. I offer that you will find out the answer to that when you bring it up and encourage change. I also offer that you will experience something the apostle Paul had to deal with in his writing to the Galatians. “Have I therefore become your enemy by telling you the truth?”

  5. mark says:

    the word ekklessia does not imply or carry any definition of being called out. kurios implys ownership by the lord, as we have been bought. to say that the word church specifies place, time, and purpose is specious at best. as far as the “roman” usage of the word church to signify these qualities i find nothing in brown-driver-briggs,theological dictionary of old and new testament,strongs,vines,dictionary of biblical languages of semantic domains to justify that definition. two friends or one hundred strangers worshipping is still ekklesia tou kurios. unless your using the vulgate,and then there’s no telling what definition may come.

  6. Gary says:

    ἐκκλησία
    ekklēsia
    ek-klay-see’-ah
    From a compound of G1537 and a derivative of G2564; a calling out, that is, (concretely) a popular meeting, especially a religious congregation (Jewish synagogue, or Christian community of members on earth or saints in heaven or both)
    KJV Usage: assembly, church.

    http://studybible.info/strongs/G1577

  7. mark says:

    in acts 19:25 demetrius called together tradesmen…32 most were not sure why…41 the townclerk calmed, and dismissed the assembly. this use ignores that definition of ekklesia. if the word church is concretely the called out servants of jesus why then would the satanists use it to describe themselves?(i know that’s anecdotal, but think about it for awhile.) abraham was called out to go somewhere. jesus called lazarus out of the tomb. jesus called us out of darkness into his marvellous light, so we can, as family coming together; praise and worship our father. working out our salvation with fear and trembling; as jesus said, many are called but few are chosen. in all humility seeking his easily intreated wisdom.

  8. Gary says:

    I was only responding to your statement: / the word ekklessia does not imply or carry any definition of being called out / by showing you that it does. Whether or not that particular definition is applicable in all instances is irrelevant. For you went on to say: / I find nothing in brown-driver-briggs, theological dictionary of old and new testament, strongs, vines, dictionary of biblical languages of semantic domains to justify that definition /. If you really took the time to look up the definition of this word in a Strong’s Concordance, then I really don’t know how you could have missed it… It’s the very first one.

  9. mark says:

    all i’m trying establish is the continuity of usage from the secular word ekklesia(actual physical gathering with or without purpose) to the religious word church (with all its mystical implications of calling, and invisibility), and you cannot get there without doing backflips with the semantics/grammar. strongs is a concordance not a dictionary hence the narrow and limited definition;especially when it comes to the “grand ol’ church”.

  10. Gregory says:

    Matthew 23:8 is a real good indication that there is something wrong in the so called CHURCH today. 2 Timothy 2:15, we must begin applying this verse to our lives while there is still time. Today’s church is no more than a business operating under the guise of Christianity and anyone that follows the Lord knows this. Sad but true the lost are in the four walls every Sunday, not all, but the majority is lost. God Bless.

  11. James says:

    Does not Jesus him self forbid Sectarianism in Mark 10 vers 38to41 ie.baptist,catholic ect. Ect.are not all these seperated by man made rules and regulations set down by men this basicaly is the same as a state run church so if you do this are you not doing the same thing that Jesus said in Mark7 vers 7 so I guess the point I am trying to make is that Jesus shed his blood for all of us to reconcile us to God so let the Holyspirit work in you and if you have a question ask Jesus to take it before God.Jesus gave us a gift let us not waste it on arguments.we have the chance to walk in the Garden with him again.God built everthing not man so I bet he has yor answer.

  12. James says:

    Yahshua/Yahoshua is the Messiahs name, not Jesus which is a bad Greek/English translation. The name Jesus is about 400 to 500 years old and the letter J was introduced in the late 15 or early 16th century. So Please call Yahweh/Yahovah (aka G-d or LORD) manifested in the flesh by HIS PROPER NAME. This is not taught in today’s churches, or the three ring circus. All those truly searching for Truth will find it IF one’s heart and intentions are Right. The Almighty loves a contrite or REPENTIVE attitude

  13. Gary says:

    The apostle Paul also speaks against sectarianism in I Corinthians chapter 1. There is but ONE true faith and ONE true baptism (Ephesians 4).

  14. Gary says:

    All languages change over time. And there are several different names for Jesus depending on the language..

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_(name)#Other_languages

  15. Charles Jenkinson says:

    The concept of the word ‘church’, and more importantly the church identity has developed out of an anti-semitic demonic spirit, to create a separation between Jews and everybody else. It is plainly understood by most in the guise and descriptions afforded by replacement theory. Fundamentally of course, there can be no doubt that from the Jews point of view, there are Jews, …plus everybody else!, i.e. the Gentiles; the Jews are, after all, God’s chosen people. However, the apostle Paul tells us that we are all one in Christ, there is neither Jew nor Gentile, slave nor free, male nor female, but One new man. Given the spirit of inclusiveness that concept creates, I find it very hard to say that there is a ‘them’, in contrast to an ‘us’. Also, the day I stop wondering if someone is saved or not I will become a lot less judgemental and perhaps God can do more with me, …but I digress! I put it to you, as it was put to me (in J K McKee’s When will the Messiah return) that nothing ‘new’ started on the day of Pentecost and therefore the separatist group called the church does not exist in God’s eyes. In the same way Jesus was not followed round the Judean desert by a group of ‘Christians’, neither did He start the church when the Holy Spirit came. I’m not saying that there aren’t called out ones; we are in the world but not of the world. This has gross implications for how, when and with whom we should worship but if God looks at the heart then true worshippers are known to Him.

  16. Rev Dr John Grey says:

    Fact is: The word “church” made an unclearable mess of the only correct Biblical word for the elect; being “ekklesia” in Greek and Latin. “Church” comes from dreamland.

    Publish it somewhere and straighten out the matter once and for all!

  17. Gary says:

    You are correct in saying that the heart of the true worshipper is known to God..

    I Sam 16:7 But the Lord said unto Samuel, Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature; because I have refused him: for the Lord seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the Lord looketh on the heart.

    And it’s what’s in the heart that determines who a true Jew really is..

    Rom 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:

    Rom 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

    Just because someone is a genetic Jew does not necessarily mean he one of God’s chosen..

    Rom 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:

    Rom 9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.

    Rom 9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh [national Israel], these are NOT the children of God: but the children of the promise [spiritual Israel] are counted for the seed.

    And who are the children of the promise? Why those true worshippers who belong to Christ, that’s who..

    Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

    This belief that Jews living within the restored nation of Israel are God’s chosen people is yet another false doctrine of the church. But many now believe this thanks largely to the Zionist propaganda on Christian television. See my article “Wolves In Sheep’s Clothing” for more.

    http://hell-fact-or-fable.com/2010/04/wolves-in-sheeps-clothing/

    Peace

  18. narrowway says:

    You will find Pgs Hopwood a well worth while read, he covers the sections of the body activity before it was an institution, a very interesting read (1927)

    The relgious experience of the primitive church, he makes some statements to the word eccleisa why we changed? most interesting discussing it;s early history it;s rich with honesty,as he defines a body which is shot through and through of the Holy Spirit, undivided to, I think this will aid our desire to get back to relational walk from that of a divided religion, love the articles here, I agree long over due, need thr truth, Tyndale was right warning them as us today, money and power do funny things to people.

  19. Chris says:

    I have long believed that translating ekklesia into the English word, “church,” is MOST UNFORTUNATE. It greatly hinders both the Lord’s people and the people of the world from seeing and grasping the REAL meaning and concept that is behind the Greek word. What a great loss!

  20. Judy Griffin says:

    wow! There are more people than I thought who believe about the word “church” opposed to the word “Ekklesia” Yes, the proper name is Ekklesia.

  21. david says:

    before we can established any thing else we first must establish that his proper name is Yahweh, when he said you do not know who or what you worship, he was referring to those who call he god, lord, and use the word jesus, which has been proven that is in no way associated with the only name that you can be saved by Yahweh, it is so in the original covenant and he said that he change not , so if the restored and revised covenant is the revealing of the original that the only name is still Yahweh to call, there is not such creature as a gentile church, they were jew and gentile, or just jew as the Hebrew assembly, the scripture said come out of her, for one because he said the gentile or nations sacrifice to demons, these are the high places in scripture, if this jesus is the real messiah, why is it that no one knows the fathers name, did he now say he gave the fathers name to them, father glorify thy name, how come that name is never taught, because he is not the true messiah, the messiah said he came in the fathers name, jesus can not be associated with the fathers name, Joshua is german with the j which is not Hebrew, the name is yahshua which means Yahweh is salvation, not Jehovah is salvation, john 12[28] not where is the fathers name mentioned in the translations must used, john 8[41] it is clear to see why the moslims had the jews because of them the truth was lost, the correct scriptures, the fathers name the true language, and the land, the messiah came to restore all things, the land the people the language the correct scriptures and the fathers name, the term god is used because they don’t know the fathers name because he is not their father, 1 john 1[6] study for yours selfs and come to the light you are being lead a stray, by thoses that make merchandise of you, Ezekiel 44[23-24] none of these things are being done, especially the Sabbaths, which clearly given in the old testatment, which the word old mean original, the word profane is to break such as the instructions or the commandments, or to fornicate as with the sun elohim of the first day of the week worship, sunday, the day of the sun, to make common as the worship, is today, you go the circus to be intertained by the animals, and you pay for the show and food, just like the in the churches train animals, dogs, goats, and wolves, teach dance and sing and you pay for the show,

  22. narroway2011 says:

    please note the mystery religions contain many of the forms which were used fro power and wealth, the destruction of the priesthood of the believers and suppression of the Spiritual or gifts we now call them was complete by 250Ad, carthage the arrogance to do so, and defend it as well.

    I am not sure which is more appalling they decreed only the self made hierarchies were to do so, it goes on to tie it back to ancient Greek magician etc a boat load of dark stuff was conjured in Origen mixed in his own words . nearly nothing been done to jettison it all. to get back to truth and spirit sow ell put here.

    The sad part is witch harlot name used connects me the esoteric nature of James and bacon associations in the masonic or Rosicrus stuff, was real heavy in Scotland as the main source.

    I think it’s sad Tyndale would die for word that they feared so badly and the rest of the protestant world adopts the same words is real over the top state of blindness on our part , I would have though the truthful ones, would have dumped the cult side of it all, but it’s profit control over intentional ignorance. kept them blind by intent.

    I say that in love man what huge mistake. Worship in spirit and truth? real serious issues indeed all well said here, thanks we can change, why not.. life is way to short to gamble on eternal consequences like that… and it’s seen by the world now as the history is made public.

    a few sights offered to help us with truth Buddists, what a shame , all for bucks and power, God sees , it will cost, I made changes here , love the lord, add or take away produced huge risks…. with the wrong person. The intent is well seen by him.Thanks love to all, eon body, his truth, no cult names/forms needed Jesus can speak for himself.

    NW

  23. Gary says:

    OT Jews considered it blasphemy to utter the Name of God, so only referred to Him as YVHV. This is why even today religious Jews eliminate the vowels when writing articles about God; e.g. G-D, L-RD

    http://www.evidencetoconsider.com/scripture/the-meaning-gods-name

    But there are actually several different OT names for God:

    El Shaddai (Lord God Almighty)
    El Elyon (The Most High God)
    Adonai (Lord, Master)
    Yahweh (Lord, Jehovah)
    Jehovah Nissi (The Lord My Banner)
    Jehovah-Raah (The Lord My Shepherd)
    Jehovah Rapha (The Lord That Heals)
    Jehovah Shammah (The Lord Is There)
    Jehovah Tsidkenu (The Lord Our Righteousness)
    Jehovah Mekoddishkem (The Lord Who Sanctifies You)
    El Olam (The Everlasting God)
    Elohim (God)
    Qanna (Jealous)
    Jehovah Jireh (The Lord Will Provide)
    Jehovah Shalom (The Lord Is Peace)
    Jehovah Sabaoth (The Lord of Hosts)

    http://www.blueletterbible.org/study/misc/name_god.cfm

    And you will find out soon enough whether or not Jesus or Yeshua or whatever you want to call him is indeed the true messiah..

    http://www.evidencetoconsider.com/the-identity-of-jesus

    Peace

  24. Hi great article, I would like to add that church comes word is directly connected to with name Circe, a witch harlot and the esoteric nature of the strange activities of bacon and king James may have well been tied in those interests please research you will be surprised to see the things done, bacon was in the mystery regions, and Atlantis ancient mysteries of science and knowledge, the interests go on from there, it’s shame that was not dealt with up to this time… it all needs to get corrected, had noted the church of tied it self to paganism orCirce they named themselves after has now come home to her final habitation, it looks like Sardis is the road call the west may have inherited by way of compromise and untruth.Perhaps it to unified it self into the pagan mystics in a merge… recently reported.

    Amazing no new thing under the sun for sure, may those of us who seek the truth come out of her and remember than Jesus said my ecclesia no man can hold the place or title just him and may we love one another as he does us. And maybe we can be one as he wished us all to be, and let go of all the unholy unions and traditions added so we can be spirit led again instead of man centered.

    I was stunned to see that word Anglo Saxon meanings and than discover what James and bacon belonged to.. check it out all there have dig but you’ll see , some things never change the devil plays the same ole notes on other instruments.

  25. Karen says:

    As we seek the kingdom of God and his righteousness, we are led into many truths. As one I have discovered: Then I heard another voice from heaven say: “‘Come out of her, my people,’ so that you will not share in her sins, so that you will not receive any of her plagues for her sins are piled up to heaven, and God has remembered her crimes.
    Babel in Hebrew means confused, and the confusion with the whole issue of churches formed of men, is that the works of the Spirit is not fully used. Now as a believer, we should first search the scriptures in the wholeness of the Spirit. The Lord said: “When the Advocate comes, whom I will send to you from the Father–the Spirit of truth who goes out from the Father–he will testify about me. John 15:26
    This is GOD the Father’s Spirit in action, for without Him, we are just babbling mysteries according to the Word of GOD. The second mistake is the Name of the Father, For in Hebrew, it is written this prayer: Your Name be sanctified Who is in Heaven. It rings true because the LORD said: I pray for them. I am not praying for the world, but for those you have given me, for they are yours. All I have is yours, and all you have is mine. And glory has come to me through them. I will remain in the world no longer, but they are still in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, protect them by the power of your name, the name you gave me, so that they may be one as we are one.
    So even the Name GOD has power, and in Hebrew this Name is ELOHIM and Ben ELOHIM and Rauch ELOHIM. The Trinity which is Hashilush Hakadosh, in layman terms the Eyes, Mouth and Ears of the Holy Father is present in every sentence formed. The complete form of man is the spirit, for without the spirit there is death. So as the Father repaired the world, He also shed a part of Himself to mind us so that we are like His Only Son. Just as we are born a natural birth according to the world, we also need that Spiritual birth which is the Holy Father’s gift after the completion of the scriptures or His total promise to mankind. Amein

  26. Jon says:

    Marks post above where he cites Acts 19:25 is a poor reference in so much as the Greek word ecclesia is not used here. Another Greek word meaning to assemble is used, but NOT the Greek word meaning AN assembly that is assembled as a separate civil entity, which is what the ecclesia is.

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