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I have edited the following exchange from one of my readers:

Just read your web page: http://hell-fact-or-fable.com/church.html

Some interesting points there, thanks for you information, you may find this
interesting:

In 1825, on occasion of the jubilee, bearing on the one side his own image,
and on the other, that of the Church of Rome symbolized as a “Woman,” holding
in her left hand a cross, and in her right a CUP, with the legend around her,
“Sedet super universum,” “The whole world is her seat.”

Now here is a challenge for you, ill quote your web site:

“And the woman [always the symbol for a church/kirke] was arrayed in purple
and scarlet color [these colors symbolize wealth and high position], and decked
with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand
full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication” (Revelation 17:4).

Did you know the great harlot is missing a very telling color above, what
is it? and what does It mean?

Regards,

[name withheld]

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MY REPLY:

Thanks for your email, and for your questions. Blue is the only other color I find that is associated with scarlet and purple. I will quote (in part) from three different sources:

1) According to the Dictionary of Biblical Imagery (p. 158) “blue, purple and scarlet suggest wealth and
royalty… And we find that these same colors adorned the tabernacle of ancient Israel as well, suggesting that Yahweh was the wealthy and powerful God-king, who brought an impoverished people out of slavery in Egypt to make them a mighty nation. Because of their associations with deity and power, blue and purple were apparently also used to decorate idols in biblical times (Je 10:9). In ancient thought the sky was believed to separate the place of the gods from the human realm. Therefore blue, the color of the sky, could appropriately suggest the boundary between God and his people and symbolize his majesty. Blue was [also] the dominant color of the vestments of ancient Israel’s high priest (Ex 28). The high priest wore an outer garment of solid blue over the white robe of the priesthood. He was the boundary between the human and divine realms, moving in both as he ministered in the Holy of Holies. Blue also separated the holy articles of the
tabernacle from the people… Israel was a nation set apart for God, but the high priest and the most holy things were specially designated for the Lord’s service. In this context blue suggests the boundary of holy separation unto the Lord.”

2) The Dictionary of Symbols, Myths and Legends (p. 62-63) has this to say: “Through its association with water, blue is connected with the spiritual life, the soul, purity, depth and crystal. It is also linked to the sky, the firmament, heaven, the infinite, the absolute and diamonds… the appearance of blue in a dream is almost always a good omen, in the sense that it often reveals a state of grace, a relationship with the superior spirit that lies dormant within each and every one of us, and the spiritual aspirations of which we are more or less aware or which preoccupy us during our waking hours. Blue should always be associated with well-being, gentleness, harmony, and pure and profound
sentiments. It calms fever, passions and tensions, wards off fate and absorbs evil. Blue is therefore a beneficial colour. It is also the colour of love.”

3) Hans Biedermann’s Dictionary of Symbolism (p. 44) provides further insight: “Blue is the color that most frequently is seen as a symbol for things of the spirit and the intellect… It is the color of the sky, associated in ancient Egypt with the sky-god Amon… This is why it is the color of the heavens. Zeus and Yahweh plant their feet on sky blue… Vishnu in ancient Indian myth is colored blue as Krishna; Jesus teaches in a blue garment.”

But perhaps the most revealing statements from Biedermann’s book are these:

a) “Blue, the symbol of the truth and the eternity of God (for what is true is eternal), will always remain the symbol of human immortality” [Portal].

This neatly mirrors the church’s false doctrine of the immortality of the soul,
wouldn’t you say? … and

b) “In Central European popular symbology blue is the color of fidelity, but also of mystery (the fairy tale “The Blue Light”), deception, and uncertainty (numerous German idions; compare the English “out of the blue”). The association between the color and intoxication (the German adjective blau is also a colloquialism for “drunk”) is hard to explain but may have to do with the bluish coloration of the cheeks and noses of heavy drinkers.”

In Re 17:6 we read that Mystery Babylon is DRUNK with the blood of the saints. Coincidence?

Anyway, that’s what I’ve come up with. Your thoughts?

PS: I find the headgear on the woman pictured in the coin to be strikingly similar to that of the Statue of Liberty. Another coincidence?

BTW: There is no Hebrew word for “coincidence.”

Gary

HIS
RESPONSE
:

Interesting answers, Gary.

I’m glad I asked before I gave you my understanding so I could learn some new things, there is a very Important point missing below and when I found this out I was amazed myself because I had not noticed it before, I’ll send you a post I made that explains it, the source is from the Bible itself.

Regarding the resemblance on the coin to the statue of liberty, I don’t think you will be surprised to know that lady liberty is actual based on Greek & roman pagan gods:

From Wiki:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statue_of_Liberty

The general appearance of the statue’s head approximates the Roman Sun-god Apollo or the Greek Sun-god Helios as preserved on an ancient marble tablet (today in the Archaeological Museum of Corinth, Corinth, Greece) – Apollo was represented as a solar deity, dressed in a similar robe and having on its head a “radiate crown”
with the seven spiked rays of the Helios-Apollo’s sun rays, like the Statue’s nimbus or halo. The ancient Colossus of Rhodes, one of the Seven Wonders of the Ancient World, was a statue of Helios with a radiate crown. The Colossus is referred to in the 1883 sonnet The New Colossus by Emma Lazarus. Lazarus’s poem was later engraved on a bronze plaque and mounted inside the Statue of Liberty in 1903.

The classical appearance (Roman stola, sandals, facial expression) derives from Libertas, ancient Rome’s goddess of freedom from slavery, oppression, and tyranny. Her raised right foot is on the move. This symbol of Liberty and Freedom is not standing still or at attention in the harbor, it is moving forward, as her left foot tramples broken shackles at her feet, in symbolism of the United States’ wish to be free from oppression and tyranny.[11] The seven spikes on the crown epitomize the Seven Seas and seven continents.[12] Her torch signifies
enlightenment. The tablet in her hand represents knowledge and shows the date of the United States Declaration of Independence, in roman numerals, July IV, MDCCLXXVI.

Liberty comes from Libertas:   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertas

MY REPLY:

Yes, I knew the statue of liberty was modeled after a pagan goddess, and was given as a
gift by French freemasons (illuminati) to America. I used to be heavily into the conspiracy
stuff until I came to the knowledge of the truth: that it is God Himself who “has put it into
their hearts to fulfill His purpose, to be of one mind, and to give their kingdom to the
beast, until the words of God are fulfilled” (Re 17:17).

HIS RESPONSE:

Hi Gary,

Here is the post I said I would send you:

What color is the great harlot of Rev17
missing?

And what does it mean?

I continue to find the details in the bible are not there just to fill up space, these colors will mean something, so what then?

Revelation 17:4,5
“And I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast which was full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. The woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet, and adorned with gold and precious stones and pearls, having in her hand a golden cup full of abominations and the filthiness of her fornication. And on her forehead a name was written:

MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.”

So we have purple and scarlet with Gold featuring prominently also some precious stones.

Maybe some readying this are thinking to themselves, about now “so how do we know there is a color missing?” Let’s look at the other prominent places in the bible these colors
are mentioned:

In Exodus God gives very detailed instructions as to the construction of his tent (Sanctuary) and Altar and also how the priests should dress, these are very detailed, you will see quickly the extra color below:

The Tabernacle:

1.    Exodus 26:1
“Make the tabernacle with ten curtains of finely twisted linen and blue, purple and scarlet yarn, with cherubim worked into them by a skilled craftsman.

2.    Exodus 26:31
“Make a curtain of blue, purple and scarlet yarn and finely twisted linen, with cherubim worked into it by a skilled craftsman.

3.    Exodus 26:36
“For the entrance to the tent make a curtain of blue, purple and scarlet yarn and finely twisted linen—the work of an embroiderer.

4.    Exodus 27:16
“For the entrance to the courtyard, provide a curtain twenty cubits long, of blue, purple and scarlet
yarn and finely twisted linen—the work of an embroiderer—with four posts and four bases.

Following are instruction for the priestly garments:

5.    Exodus 28:5
Have them use gold, and blue, purple and scarlet yarn, and fine linen.

6.    Exodus 28:6
[ The Ephod ] “Make the ephod of gold, and of blue, purple and scarlet yarn, and of finely twisted linen—the work of a skilled craftsman.

7.    Exodus 28:8
Its skillfully woven waistband is to be like it—of one piece with the ephod and made with gold, and with blue, purple and scarlet yarn, and with finely twisted linen.

8.    Exodus 28:15
[ The Breastpiece ] “Fashion a breastpiece for making decisions—the work of a skilled craftsman. Make it like the ephod: of gold, and of blue, purple and scarlet yarn, and of finely twisted linen.

9.    Exodus 38:23
with him was
Oholiab son of Ahisamach, of the tribe of Dan—a craftsman and designer, and an embroiderer in blue, purple and scarlet yarn and fine linen.)

……… wow get the picture! There are another 17 examples of these colors repeated in Exodus regarding the Presley garments including Gold and precious stones. Also we find below the same colors when Solomon builds the temple:

2 Chronicles 3:14
He made the curtain of blue, purple and crimson yarn and fine linen, with cherubim worked into it.  (Cherubim on the Ark were gold)

So the colors of Gods Tabernacle / Church / Sanctuary are blue, purple and scarlet with Gold.

Going back to the great harlot the colors would indicate the harlot is a Church or priesthood of that Church. But there is a color missing from this Church and that is Blue.

So what is significant about blue mentioned time and time again above?
Was it there just because it
looked pretty? No, here is the very definitive answer with wording that relates very closely to revelation! This is the Key:

Numbers 15:37-40
Again the LORD spoke to Moses, saying, “Speak to the children of Israel: Tell them to make tassels on the corners of their garments throughout their generations, and to put a blue thread in the tassels of the corners. And you shall have the tassel, that you may look upon it and remember all the commandments of the LORD and do them, and that you may not follow the harlotry to which your own heart and your own eyes are inclined, and that you may remember and do all My commandments, and be holy for your God.

So blue is to represent the 10 Commandments, so the Great harlot is an unfaithful church who has forgotten and does follow all the Ten Commandments!

If you care to do some digging yourself you will find many reference that point to the 10 commandments being on blue
stone or blue sapphire from the throne of God mention in Exodus 24:10:

“…and saw the God of Israel. Under his feet was something like a pavement made of sapphire, clear as the sky itself.”

And we know God wrote the commandments with his own finger in stone:

Exodus 31:18
“When the LORD finished speaking to Moses on Mount Sinai, he gave him the two tablets of the Testimony, the tablets of stone inscribed by the finger of God.”

To me this is very interesting, but Numbers 15 really says it all: the harlot is an unfaithful people / Church / priesthood.

MY REPLY:

A very good piece of research! Just two questions concerning this statement:

“So blue is to represent the 10 Commandments, so the Great harlot is an unfaithful church who has forgotten and does follow all the Ten Commandments!”

1) …
who has forgotten (what?)

2) … and (does? or does not?) follow all Ten Commandments?

I may have a problem with this statement if the author really meant DOES.

Gary

HIS RESPONSE:

Hi Again,

Yes that is a typo below that should most certainly read “does NOT follow the Ten commandments”. [hence the missing color blue - GC]

On your other questions, some of the problem may be they have just forgotten, but some of the problem is they have purposefully changed them. (Ten commandments) and mix into the truth pagan (Babylonian) idol worship and rituals.

On the question who, see below my thoughts:



After reading the article on your site about where the word “Church” comes from I
went to the gym and on TV was a half naked woman “Britney Spears acting, she was in a circus!” with Lyrics “look at me look at me” and on the other TV was an evangelical program with a picture of a woman riding a beast!

What where you saying about no word for coincidence….

The world is certainly full of distractions, if we want to be deceived there are any number of ways, on the other hand the truth is the wisdom and logic of God, while Satan corrupted his wisdom willingly to justify seeking worship for himself. This is the mystery of sin.

Take care

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